Sunday, January 10, 2010

Torah Study, Receiving As Children

19 comments:

Unknown said...

Pastor Barry and Susan,
Thanks for coming up with this format. For me this is perfect at this time. The prayer for someone to help with my gifts has provided some interesting results. People have just showed up at my door to sew on a button or hem some pants. And I get to pray over their clothes.

Barry Jenkins Sr. said...

Thank you Carolyn for your comment! Susan and I plan on doing at least one teaching a week in this format. Also, what a beautiful testimony concerning God bringing people to you. Blessings!

Susan Jenkins said...

Dear Carolyn, I am glad we were able to minister to you through the internet. What a great report of the opportunity to serve others in love. Have a great night!

Unknown said...

Very good study. I'm thinking more positively about receiving of the Lord, even though most times I feel I deserve it. I supposed that's the key though: I never did deserve any of His gifts, yet He gave anyway.

Barry Jenkins Sr. said...

I think that is a valid point, Daniel. We didn't deserve His gift of salvation or His gifts provided to us, yet He gives them anyway. I also think that our "Christian" upbringing provides us with a spirit of entitlement that we need to escape from. We have an active role in receiving which was the subject of the lesson. Blessings!

Unknown said...

Very good comment about "entitlement" Pastor. Could the current "spirit of entitlement" that pervades our society been seeded by Christianity or is it the ohter way around?

Unknown said...

That's great Carolyn. Ministering to thier needs is a great way just to show your love. And someday they will want to know the roots of your love.

Unknown said...

I really like the part of aggressivly taking the kingdom. I am not a very passive person, and it's really neat to know God does not expect me to be passive.

kghill58 said...

The way God talks to me is through His word and when He points me to another part of scripture. and end up learning something new, but very relevant. I really enjoy this.

Barry Jenkins Sr. said...

What does everybody think about Bill's question, "Could the current 'spirit of entitlement' that pervades our society been seeded by Christianity or is it the other way around?"

Unknown said...

I would tend to think that society would be the major cause of any spirit of entitlement in the church as the church doesn't seem to have that same spirit in other countries with different cultures.

Unknown said...

I like really like this format! I think in general, most of society has a spirit of entitlement, especially when you get into the middle class. Most feel "entiteled" to things. It's even part of the gay rights movement for same-sex marriage ("I have a fundamental right to marriage" "I'm entiteled to marriage same as everyone else", etc). I think that type of thinking often impacts modern Christianity into us thinking we are entitled, when in reality we don't deserve Christ

Unknown said...

Could it possibly be that with the government taking over the function of caring for the "widows, children and poor" that help without the love of God's people has sprouted entitlement?

Barry Jenkins Sr. said...

The Hebrews taught that man had two masters: one was God and the other was his (evil) inclination. This sheds light on Jesus' statement about not being able to serve two masters. A "spirit of entitlement" might come from this evil inclination that avoids responsibility for ones actions and seeks to hold others accountable for their choices.

Unknown said...

Now my question is: My child has an IMMENSE sense of entitlement as pertaining to anything and everything. If we are receiving as children, what should the difference be? Is entitlement so wrong in every instance?

Unknown said...

I think, as Daniel pointed out, children naturally have a sense of entitlement, unless they are taught what is permitted and what is not.There is also learning when we may have and when we have to wait. This is the whole process of "dying to self", guided by The Word of God and Holy Spirit. With out justice,you have anarchy. Balance is the key.

Barry Jenkins Sr. said...

I think a sense of entitlement is not improper when the desire is for the gift that is being provided. The problem occurs when the sense of entitlement wants to dictate to the giver of the gift, what the gift should be. Carolyn has "hit the nail on the head" when she wrote, "This is the whole process of 'dying to self', guided by The Word of God and Holy Spirit." Some Hebrews believed that you had to die to your evil inclination so that you could serve God as your true Master.

Unknown said...

If you look back at the the list of questions and discussion. A key word in the verse is the Greek word dechomai, which is to recieve something offered, not to demand something to be given. Like Barry stated, "there is a shade of difference between recieve and take".

Unknown said...

Pastor Bill,
Tank-you for the reminder about the shade of difference between receive and take. I see Salvation as a matter of submiting my life to Him, which appears more passive, rather than grabbing a life-line, although it is an eternal life-line. It is hard to grab for something while on your knees. The aggressivenees seems to come in the arena of grabbing and holding on against the enemy's attempt to take Christ's gift from my possession.